Superhero Smackdown Quarter Finals: Spider-Man vs. The Flash
Posted by The Correctness | Posted in Comics, Superhero Smackdown | Posted on 13-10-2009
Tags: DC, Marvel, smackdown, Spider-Man, The Flash, The Rules, Vitriol
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Superhero Smackdown!
Friday Night Fight!
Here at The Correctness SportsishNetwerkkz, we offer our be-all-end-all absolutely correct answers on which superheroes would win in a fight. Marvel? DC? Watchmen as distributed by DC? Spongebob Squarepants? We’re in the second of four quarterfinal matches to determine the winner! The playoffs continue this week in the Pengrowth Deathdrome. Our thirst for blood is growing like a daisy that grows on blood.


(Ed’s note: there is a lot of clarification in our article this week, due to high volumes of being called cum-eaters”)
Spider-Man versus The Flash
Dave
By this point in the smackdown, (this is the 10th week, if you’re keeping track), I’ve basically resigned myself to being called any number of things, regardless of whom I choose.
I thought I’d take a minute or two to clear up some misconceptions that many of you seem to have regarding the Smackdowns…
1) There is no pre-determined winner. Each of us write our piece separately, and then we post them together. One of us adds in the header and footer and some pictures, and declares the winner based on the majority. In fact, we don’t always agree on the winner.
2) We haven’t decided the ultimate winner of the bracket in advance (see 1 above, which would make that difficult).
3) The bracket was determined long before the Fark greenlights started happening, and long before anyone took a serious interest in the final outcome. So yes, we understand that the bracket could be better, but we can’t (apart from having substituted some players) very well change that now.
4) We don’t get paid for this. Apart from remuneration from ads, which I can assure you is fairly minimal, The Correctness is a labour of love, sucking up our time, energy, and cash (which mostly goes to pay for bandwidth used by people who call us morons). We’re thinking of instituting a pay-for-insult scheme, whereby the most acerbic of you can pay us a small fee to call us anything you wish. We’ll be rich!
5) Our opinions are just that. We claim to be comic book lovers, not experts. Tony reads the books he likes, I read the ones I like, Rob likes shiny objects.
6) There is no DC/Marvel bias that I know of. I grew up mostly Marvel, but in the last few years, Marvel has sucked a huge amount of ass, and I’ve found myself catching up on a lot of DC titles. Really Marvel? 47 Avengers titles? Ultimates? Civil War? Zombies? Apes? The only thing you’ve done that piques my interest lately is bring back Clairmont to write “X-Men Forever”, and even that’s been pretty bland. The Grant Morrison “Batman and Robin” alone, in it’s first 4 issues, is better than anything you guys did this decade.
7) It was Rob’s idea to add Kitty Pryde to the bracket, and as a laugh have her win the whole thing. This idea was quickly dismissed, apart from leaving her in the bracket.
8 ) We added the 2 days of preparation bit after hearing from readers that they wanted more setup. This happened at the beginning of the Quarterfinals. It gives the prep guys a bit of time to get ready, but not enough to build insane things and such. It’s a compromise that gives the thinkers a bit of a chance, but not enough to totally control things. It’s every bit as valid as a “chance meeting” setup.
whew… Okay ,so Spidey vs the Flash….
The only thing Spidey has going for him in this fight is his spidey sense. He gets a warning that someone or something is about to attack him. His amazing agility and speed allow him to react to this data very very quickly.
But The Flash can make about 35 of these attacks while Spidey is still dodging the first. The sad part about this is that it’s likely Barry Allen as the Flash, whom I find tedious at best. I’m not exactly sure why he’s being “Reborn”, as Wally West is about 346 times more interesting as a character. But Geoff Johns has his reasons, and most things he writes are really well done, so I’ll go with it for a while.
You’re probably asking yourself why i’m digressing with talk about rules and Barry Allen’s return, but rest assured it’s because this particular fight has been over since I typed the word “By”.
Winner: The Flash
Rob:
Well, this week, I have done some research. I pulled my Note-Tote binder of first series Marvel cards off the shelf, and I can give you some very current stats.
As of 1990, Spider-Man, who wears a black costume with a white spider on it, stands 5′10″, weighs 165 pounds (seems a tad light to me) and has fought in 982 battles. He has had 620 wins, 328 losses, and 34 ties. His black costume is totally innocuous and not at all an alien symbiote (check the timeline of this joke for bonus points).
These Marvel cards were released before series 2, in which Marvel made the fucktarded mistake of assigning a “power” and “strength” rating to all of their heroes and villains. At least the DC universe had some ambiguity, and Marvel did too, at one point. Just how super strong was Spider-man? Could he beat the Hulk? Eventually, Marvel sucked all the fun out of it.
The Flash, obviously, is not in the Marvel universe, and is certainly not in one of my complete set of limited edition holograms.
Spider-Man got his powers from being bitten by a radioactive lantern, while the Flash got his powers from being bitten by a radioactive lantern, just like the Green Lantern.
Things I do not recall: I do not recall singing along to the Scarlet Speedster’s theme song. I do not recall seeing awesome Flash-based movies (except for a flawed hypothetical third film). I do not recall reading Flash comics. I do not recall owning Flash action figures. I do not recall desperately hoping a real-live girl would come over to my tree-fort, which I furnished with the finest garage sale back-issues of the Flash.
Standing by my previous comments, because the Flash can move crazy fast, faster perhaps than spider-sense, and he can, according to the intertubes, become incorporeal (just like my hero, Kitty Pryde), and going entirely against every tender fibre of my childhood, my whole belief system, and my sense of faith in the Universe, I’m giving this one to the Flash.
Once again, The Flash just speeds up, drops a brick off inside of Spidey’s head whilst incorporeal, and it’s over. The classic brick-left-inside-yer-head gambit.
Winner: The Flash
Loser: My Childhood
Tony
SPIDEY: That’s a weird coincidence… I knew a guy named Flash once. He was kind of di-(Flash of scarlet) OW!!!
Well, that’s about all he’d get out. There have been several complaints about how DC universe keeps beating the pants off of Marvel universe characters, at least in our estimation. This boils down to the DC Universe being generally overpowered. Even the unpowered Batman is given such iconic status that writers find a way for him to beat even the most super powered foes (Guilty!) I love Marvel characters. There’s more Marvel on my office shelf than DC, by virtue of the fact that being somewhat more vulnerable makes for interesting characters. We aren’t debating quality here, we are working with what we know about the characters, and what I know about the Flash is, he will fuck you up before you have time to even spin a web of any size.
Allow me to justify myself a tad before you go throwing what we at the Correctness refer to as “The Green Lantern incident” at me. There were three things saving Spidey when he beat Green Lantern
1.We generally go with the classic silver age heroes we all grew up with, which meant the yellow issue was still very much in play. 2. Spider sense which allowed Spidey to react precious seconds before Hal, and most importantly 3. Hal’s enormous power came from something that could be taken off of him, and if anyone could find a way to do that, it was Spidey.
But he can’t stop the Flash from being the Flash. Sticky tar on the ground? He’d vibrate his way out of it.. Web trap? Spotted it, avoided it, speed read “Pride and Prejudice and Zombies” blogged about it being over rated, and still landed a rabbit punch on ol web head before he finished his first overlong thought balloon.
Here’s a question, Can Spider-man stay up and out of the way and wait for Flash to wear himself out? After all, Parker is super strong and if he does manage to land one, it could be good night Irene. (See what I did there?) Well I think with enough speed, Flash can run up walls. So no, even heights won’t help him. And God help Peter if he DOES manage to stick a web on Barry, because I can’t imagine being dragged at the speed of light is fun.
Sorry Spider-Man. The Flash has got you beat.
Winner: The Flash
P.S. Do your worst, commenters, by the time you read this, I will be in Paris, nibbling on baguettes, and occasionally my wife’s earlobe. Eat it, bitches!
Decision: The Flash
So The Flash moves on to the Semi-Finals, taking on The Batman, while the other side of the Bracket is yet to be decided. Tune in next week for Shadowcat vs Wolverine. The part where you tell us how wrong we are is below!



Very well written, funny, well thought out, and mixed it up between the three of you.
Think Flash would win also but the Marvelites will argue that the X-factor (underdog winner) goes to Spidey all the time.
So good job cum-dumpsters
this is on the money. taken to his ultimate level of power expression, there isn’t anyone in either universe who could beat the flash.
hell, taken to even his current level of power expression, there isn’t anyone in either universe who could beat the flash.
RRT, I too possess the fabled Holograms. Perhaps we shall race them or flick them at walls for keepsies! GAUNTLET DOWN! Cower before Series 2 Gold CABLE!
DC generally does have more absurdly powered heroes, where Marvel has more “human” characters who have actual weaknesses. And I too have a complete set of First edition Marvel trading cards!
If there was a charisma component to the fight, perhaps Spidey would win. But Flash is absurdly fast, and has absurdly fast reaction times to go with that speed and avoid running off cliffs or smashing into walls regularly. There’s no way Spidey can win this one.
Fair enough. UNlike Rob, my childhood memories of Spider-man were shattered with the god awful portrayal of him by Toby Maguire. Flash is a broken character as is most of the DC universe. Good call.
“We’re thinking of instituting a pay-for-insult scheme, whereby the most acerbic of you can pay us a small fee to call us anything you wish. We’ll be rich!”
You might also offer to *waive* the fee for truly amusing or elegant insults, as long as they then become your property. (Posting the insults when you have made this statement should be prima facie evidence that someone agrees with the scheme.) These can then be put together in book form with suitable art, and you’ll make a killing.
Profit? I’m listening…
How ’bout ForbushMan vs. Ambush Bug for the Final Round? (Talk about beating around the bush…)
Holy reference, Batman!
An easy decision there. I tend to agree about DC characters being severely overpowered, but Marvel comics haven’t been good in years. At least you didn’t include Doc Manhattan, although he might lose on purpose because of a better future or some shit like that or just teleport himself into Uranus. I may sometimes disagree about the outcome, these articles have been consistently funny. Kitty Pride better win, cum-eating honkeys.
Rob, you don’t remember the ill-fated ‘Flash’ t.v. series on CBS. It went the way of the ill-fated ‘Spiderman’ t.v. series.
That being said, Flash wins. Even with “spidey senses tingling”, he gets hit with things not going the speed of light.
I’m not going to hate. That was well done, sirs. Argued from the hallowed vaults of nerds greater than I.
While it’s tough to argue with this one, I’m sure myself and a legion of other douchebags will give it shot. In fact… yep, here I go.
What about the two days here? Spidey knows he’s backed into a corner and going to be in serious trouble here if he doesn’t come up with something. Based on the old cartoon I’m seeing images of him mixing up some chemicals in the old college lab and coming up with a special web formula that traps everything including non-corporeal beings.
Then, before the fight he sprays it everywhere that could lead old flashy to him. He makes walls of the stuff. Old Flashy thinks it’s just the usual web and tries to go through it and SHABANG! Caught like the little overpowered buttwipe that he is in Spidey’s web.
Spidey casually strolls over, delivers a devastating punch and makes it home in time to make sweet love to his aunt.
Done. Next.
JRock.
Brilliant!
I was thinking of something along those lines myself, except that instead of making some new amazing web formula himself, Spidey just strolls over to the Fantastic Four building, explains the situation to Reed, and Reed either lends him some weapon capable of stopping the Flash in his tracks or gives him some specially made Spidey-Armor that nullifies incorporeal attacks.
Or whatever.
Point is Reed would give him something that would either beat the Flash outright, or at the very least put Spidey on a level playing field.
This may sound like Fanboyjism (and it probably is), but it still stands none the less.
Hadn’t considered this. He was always coming up with special webs in a matter of minutes…
While I don’t have any immensely sided thoughts about players in the bracket, it keeps a Customer Service job bearable until Friday.
One thing I think needs to be said here… Flash has been beaten by plenty of people who lacked speed or agility. I mean, Captain Cold? The Trickster? Much like Superman, he has the “I have so much power, I must lack common sense” problem. He shouldn’t, but that’s the way he’s written, and he doesn’t always win, even though he’s theoretically unbeatable. Clever villains beat the flash, and Spidey’s smarter than the lot of them. Even so, I give the fight to Flash, I’m just saying, it’s not hands down.
Well cumdumpsters,
Very well written, you brought up some very valid points as you have with all your articles. And I totally agree with your stance on DC being a buncha dicks and making their heroes all powerful beings while Marvel went the high road and gave each and every hero a devastating flaw (like in real life). Keep the articles coming.
Well, to be fair, the Hulk’s flaw has been removed.
Based on the stupid ideas you had about Batman beating the Hulk, I’m disappointed that you didn’t apply the same type of logic.
Peter Parker talks to Professor X, Reed Richards, and Hank Pym and the Marvel scientist brain trust comes up with something to nullify the speed component (they can easily test it on Quicksilver who is basically the same as the Flash).
When its time to battle, Spidey slows the Flash to a crawl and kicks his ass.
If Batman has time to build traps and crap to beat the Hulk then Peter Park (who can invent things also, so if you want to make him depend upon himself he can build the anti-speed device).
Spider-Man wins.
You don’t understand.
Batman’s power is “the stupid ideas.”
Spiderman’s isn’t.
There is no way Batman could beat the hulk. I won’t even be coming back to check the brackets after reading that article.
Batman beat Superman, all that needs to be said.
I think you’re underestimating the Spider sense. It let’s him know something before it’s about to happen, no matter how fast. Flash, not among the brighter heroes, figures he’ll run up, hit Spidey a couple of million times in a second and it’s over. Spidey knows it’s coming and clocks Flash with spider strength … it’s all over.
Spider-Man wins
Bill–I second the nomination of Ambush Bug, but only if it’s the Classic Ambush Bug (annoyer of superheroes), not the cranky 80’s Ambush Bug.
These are fairly well written, if they were written in the 5 minutes of self-loathing on the shitter at a soul-wrenching job, where this will hopefully instill in you the pride to keep you from touching that bottle of wild turkey in your drawer at least until 2… Some of the comments are funny though!
Batman is standing sideways in a door with his back against the frame, a gloved finger poking into the green glow of a display that inventories his captured and re-engineered tech. Yep, there’s the n-field generator that will wrap the World’s Fastest Flower Delivery Boy in quantum bubble-wrap. For Spiderteen, it’s just some pizza, a fourty and a few Roofies.
Lesson: Batman has the power of being super-intelligent & super-pissed off. He already has a plan to destroy everyone.
Next, The Correctness should have a Superhero Sexdown to determine which superheroes would be best at pleasuring a man. I think it would be even more popular than the Smackdown, yet no one would admit to reading it.
/just make sure they don’t go to space: http://www.urinalgum.com/?p=331
As I have never been extracted from the original Marvel Universe, I am not bound by any of the inane current concepts of what a more “modern” Spiderman’s weaknesses might be. As for the Flash, Spiderman WAS confronted once by Marvel’s own supersonic speedster (OK, I think this may actually be the description of Rocky the Flying Squirrel, but you get the point), Quicksilver, and beat him. Admittedly, both Spiderman and Quicksilver were out to subdue, not kill each other. As someone else has already mentioned, Spiderman does have his spider-sense. He also has his webbing. And the Flash, at the speed he would be traveling, could never avoid even a single strand Spidey might toss in his path, and he would immediately be wrapped like a weedwacker in a barbed wire fence.
In defence of Flash, he did have a reasonably cool TV show in the 80s or 90s sometime. Allowing for TV filming budgets, it wasn’t too bad. As I recall, the actor who played him insisted, at the very least, that the costume be one of those physique enhancing jobs that at least made him resemble the comic character, instead of the red jumpsuit they wanted him to wear to begin with. They also seemed to incorporate a variety of different era buildings, vehicles etc, that made it just quirky enough to be watchable.
And Luke was the bad guy!
I likes me the Spidey, and have the tattoo to prove it. But I have got to agree with the trio on this one.
The Flash wins… super speedy Chumpy McChumperson that he is!
I have faith that Aquaman & Robin’s plans are in full effect. That the Tea house is up and running. That the lurid future threesome between The Flash, Peppermint Patty & Marcie is taking form as we speak. Batman is naked in the rain. Superman is crying in the shower. Wolverine is picking Japanese bugs out of his teeth and hair. Kitty & Wonder Woman are mowing down on some fresh baked whisker biscuits… All my predictions of the future fantastic are coming to fruition I tells ya!
WTF? (see my comments from Kitty Vs Dead Pool) – http://www.thecorrectness.com/comics/superhero-smackdown-8-kitty-pryde-vs-deadpool/
AQUAMAN & ROBIN FOREVER!
Ps. Thanks for the clarifications, good hustle this week guys. Thanks again for the free entertainment.
The problem is the overpowering that happened in the 80s! I mean everything had to be semi-science…so before if the flash hit something too fast he could break his hand…he wasn’t super strong, just fast. no vibrating through walls or anything else. The golden/silver age flash would have his butt handed to him by spiderman. Spiderman’s power hasn’t really changed over the years….except the black costume and the change between web shooters and biological webs. So, golden agers Spidey takes it.